My Car Kit

[mirkwood]

Vtac 24 Hour Rush pack. By far the best pack I have ever had my hands on. Wish I could get rid of the others and put the $$$ into a few more of thes. The attached pouches are a TAG Pouch (left) and a Vtac water bottle pouch. Each holds at least two water bottles, I can jam a third in one. One also has a couple of water pouches. Two red glow sticks in the MOLLE.


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Side pic. I have two carabiners attached, one to each side. These are to hold more gear from the trunk if I have to ditch the car, including a large medical bag.

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There are more interior pockets/storage areas then I know what to do with. A set of some superdurable plastic utensils I got at Sportsman's Warehouse. I've seen them in every camping store I've been to. A Gerber boot knife I bought in the 80's. Some gum, two more glowsticks, several candles and some matches.


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[mirkwood]

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Another view of the outer pocket. A roll of electrical tape, a small "leatherman", another folder knife, some straps and paracord. Again, more room then I know what to do with. It's great!

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Two external pockets near the top on the outside. Currently empty but wanted to show them. They are lined with a soft material that you could put iPods, digital cameras etc. in without scratching the screens.

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Main compartment.

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[mirkwood]

Main compartment open. Zippered pockets on the right. We will come back to those later. Main compartment is huge. Two Mountain House pouches, one MRE entree (Beef and Mushrooms). Lots of room for more stuff.

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Top mesh/zippered pocket has medical supplies, gauze, bandages, one dose Zicam, hand sanitizer, neosporin tube, sinus caplets.

Bottom has eye mositurizing drops, small bottle Excederin Migraine, water purification tablets, dental floss, baby wipes, rain poncho.

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Under the MH pouches and MRE are two Mainstay Calorie bars.
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[mirkwood]

Under all the food is another zipper pouch and a compression pocket. There is another lined pocket for iPod's, Blackberry, etc. The pocket hangs down and is the small pocket at the left of the mesh. In the mesh I have 2 MRE dairyshakes (choc.), 2 beverage base (grape) and an MRE sports bar.


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The compression pocket has a pair of BDU pants, two pair socks, and a t-shirt.




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In the back is a hydration system and pouch. I have not bothered checking the ounces it will hold.

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[BackBlast]

What? No inventory list? :001_sbiggrin:

[mirkwood]

I was in a hurry. Go back and look again, there are some captions now.


This is where I bought my pack and there are some more pictures, reviews and description. An incredible backpack. I will be able to take more stuff out of the car and take it with me if I ever have to ditch my car and move on foot.


http://www.lapolicegear.com/511-tactical-rush-24-bag.html


http://ep.yimg.com/ip/I/policestuff_2061_135770226

[mirkwood]

Let me also add, that if I was on duty and had to leave the car behind, I would additonally be carrying an AR15, 4 more magazines, six more pistol magazines, a medical bag, two more kevlar panels, several hundred rounds of 9mm and .223, a wool blanket, maybe my extra boots, laptop and my duty belt. That is a lot of crap to carry. I'd probably ditch the duty rig, except my holster and put the equipment into the pack. I really don't ever want to have to carry all this. I'd also be wearing the plate carrier from the other thread. Heavy heavy load...:sosp:

Off duty would be a bit easier as I would not have to deal with the duty belt. I'd have two less pistol mags and no rifle to go with all those magazines.

[althor]

Better stretch first...

[Earthling]

I subscribe to the "get home bag" idea. There is stuff in here for car emergencies but also to help me walk home if needed. Remember the most important thing is to be able to keep warm - that will kill you in a short time while you can go 3 days without water. I put together one for each of my kids for Christmas last year. . . within a few weeks one of them had already used part of it.

here's my list:

Bags: ziploc, trash, duffel, backpack
Blankets : solar (4) & regular (2)
Can Opener
Cell phone charger
Comb/Brush
Compass
Documents: car registration, insurance, car manual
Feminine Hygiene
First Aid Kit
Fix-a-flat
Flashlight
Gloves, work (2 sets)
Granola/Survival bars
Gun & Ammo
Hand & Body Warmers
Hand sanitizer
Handiwipes
Ice Scraper
Insect Repellent
Jack & lug wrench
Jackets
Jumper Cables
Light sticks
Maps
Matches
Medicine
Money
Napkins/Tissue
Paper/Envelopes/Pencil/Pen/Sharpie
Pepper Spray
Phone book
Plastic Eating Utensils
Pocketknife (multifunction)
Ponchos (2)
Shoes, walking
Shovel, folding
Sleep bag, survival (2)
Soap
Sunscreen
Sunglasses
Tape: regular & electrical & duct
Tarp
Tire Gauge
Tools: screwdrivers, socket set, pliers, rope, rags
Tow rope
Towels, small & washcloth
Umbrella
Ward directory
Water
Water Purification Tablets
Wet wipes
Whistles

[prairiemom]

So the link is JUST the backpack, right? And everything you have here is what you've put together? I take it this is your bug-out kit? You don't leave this in your car year round do you? (I'm thinking water freezing and food deteriorating in the heat.) I like that backpack, it's just a little spendy if I'm going to buy one for each person in the family. Any bargain versions that you know of?

[LoudmouthMormon]

That's a lot of stuff, for someone that doesn't have any TP...

[arbilad]

So the link is JUST the backpack, right? And everything you have here is what you've put together? I take it this is your bug-out kit? You don't leave this in your car year round do you? (I'm thinking water freezing and food deteriorating in the heat.) I like that backpack, it's just a little spendy if I'm going to buy one for each person in the family. Any bargain versions that you know of?

If this is the same pack that Mirk has talked about on my forum and others in the past, it's for getting home if he's at work, the fecal matter hits the rotary oscillator, and just driving home isn't possible. That's the most likely scenario I see for such a kit anyway. I spend a significant amount of time at work, so it's really possible that if something does happen I won't be at home.
I don't have nearly as much as Mirk yet. Some Mainstay bars, emergency blanket, and some fire starting stuff. I plan to get more.

[LoudmouthMormon]

We have get home bags in each of our cars. I'm set up to actually try the 25 mile hike home. My wife cruises around with our 8 and 5 yr old girls, her car's bag is more along the "find shelter and wait" variety, with lots of cash for hotel rooms and whatnot.

Likely scenarios in our area involve tornadoes, storms, some sort of highway disaster or chemical spill or something - all localized stuff that will be over in a few days. I've been snowed into town before - would have had to use the bag if the hotel's power had been out.

[LEVE]

Me... I stay away from Military looking bags and kits for my BOB and 72hr kit. One thing I carry in my Bob is an AR-7 rifle w/100 rounds.


http://world.guns.ru/civil/ar7-2.jpg


http://world.guns.ru/civil/ar7-3.jpg

It's small, and effective when needed and is completely out of sight. Of course the other requisite stuff is there, but I'd highly recommend a few other items:

A hand held HAM radio, I carry a several year old HTX-202; I recommend this radio as it's easy to operate, and on the used market it's inexpensive.

http://www.eham.net/data/articles/11750/index0.jpg


a Gator Jr. Machete is strapped to the side of the BOB. I like the ol' WWII German Hewer, but they're really, really expensive. This does the same thing for about $19. It's a good tool. It's short, stout, sturdy and the sheath is excellent! I do recommend wrapping the plastic handle w/rawhide.

http://www.m4040.com/Knifemaking/REVIEWS/GerberGatorMachete-e.jpg

In the 72hr kit I also recommend a pair of FRS radios.

Don't forget a means to charge the batteries.

[mirkwood]

So the link is JUST the backpack, right? And everything you have here is what you've put together?

Yes. The two pouches and everything else I added to the pack.




I take it this is your bug-out kit? You don't leave this in your car year round do you? (I'm thinking water freezing and food deteriorating in the heat.)

Yes it is in the car year round. The main food source is the Mainstay Calorie Bar (http://beprepared.com/product.asp_Q_pn_E_FM%20R360_A_name_E_MAINSTAY™%20 3,600%20Calorie%20Food%20Bar). It has a shelf life of 5 years, any temperature between -40 deg F to 300 deg F. The freeze dried pouches I will replace at least every other year, if not each year. The MRE's are already old and probably nasty as they have been in the trunk a long long time. The water gets rotated regularly as I raid the trunk for it at work. I just replaced every bottle today. The water does freeze in the winter but I have never had a bottle crack.




I like that backpack, it's just a little spendy if I'm going to buy one for each person in the family. Any bargain versions that you know of?

You get what you pay for. There are some cheaper packs out there, but nothing of a quality that I personally would use. The German Mountain Rucksack is a pack that a number of people have purchased for this use. I have them for campouts. I am a gear snob, but a lot of what I buy is dual use for work and I do not worry about cost for work equipment.

http://www.surplusandadventure.com/shop/army-surplus/bags-rucksacks/german-mountain-rucksack-636628.html (http://www.surplusandadventure.com/shop/army-surplus/bags-rucksacks/german-mountain-rucksack-636628.html)

http://www.surplusandadventure.com/images/product/main/german_rucksack.jpg

[mirkwood]

That's a lot of stuff, for someone that doesn't have any TP...

Got that in the "official office 72 hour kit".

[mirkwood]

If this is the same pack that Mirk has talked about on my forum and others in the past, it's for getting home if he's at work, the fecal matter hits the rotary oscillator, and just driving home isn't possible.


That is the purpose of a car kit. If a 72 hour kit were required as people normally think of them, it would work for that as well. My thinking is what arbilad expressed. A disaster is most likely to occur while you are at work. The kit is designed to help you get home, or wherever your meeting place with the family is.


Here is my complete philosophy on car kits (this is taken from my presentation on food storage & emergency preparedness).

Car Kits
A far more useful item for us in our area is what I call a Car Kit or Get Home Kit that stays in your car. The idea behind a car kit is having supplies that will help you get home in the event a disaster occurs while you are away from home. If you are at work or are out shopping when an earthquake or some other major disaster strikes it would be better to have a kit in your car that helps you get home. In the event of a major earthquake this county is going to be wrecked. An earthquake of disastrous magnitude will destroy the road system making it impossible to drive. If somehow the roads are still open, they will be so packed with traffic as to make vehicular traffic improbable. You would be better off by planning on walking home from wherever you are. I plan for a two day walk home. I believe a healthy adult, even in the event of a disaster, can walk anywhere in the county in two days or less. If you have small kids, you can plan on that taking even longer and should plan your kit(s) with that in mind.
The kinds of food items you want in your kit are things that can take extreme temperatures for an extended length of time without degrading their nutritional value. I have used MRE?s (http://beprepared.com/category.asp_Q_c_E_100 (http://beprepared.com/category.asp_Q_c_E_100)) in the past, but over the course of a summer in the trunk they are cooking and cooling every single day. This quickly degrades the taste, texture and nutritional value of the food. The Coast Guard uses the Mainstay Calorie Bar (http://beprepared.com/search.asp?t=ss&ss=mainstay (http://beprepared.com/search.asp?t=ss&ss=mainstay)) as their emergency food storage on their ships. The biggest benefit to this item is the five year shelf life at any temperature between -40 deg F to 300 deg F. They are also non thirst promoting. They come in three sizes, but I recommend the 3600 calorie bar. They can be purchased at Emergency Essentials for $6.95. One of these would give you two days at 1800 calories. Personally I have two in my kit plus a few Power Bars (http://www.powerbar.com (http://www.powerbar.com/)). I make sure that I rotate the Power Bars regularly to maintain their nutritional value because I store my kit in the trunk of my car. Roughly every six months I have new ones in my kit. I also keep four 1 pint water bottles.
I also suggest keeping a pair of durable pants, a t-shirt, a pair of shoes you are comfortable walking long distances in, a spare set of shoelaces, two pair of socks and a good fixed blade knife. I generally do not worry about winter gear because I will already have winter items with me if it is wintertime. If you do not normally have winter gloves and hat, I would suggest adding a pair of wool liner gloves which can be purchased at any grocery store for a couple dollars and a wool watch cap, which can be purchased at any department type store for around five dollars. These can be added into the kit and take little space. You could also add a woolen blanket to your kit. I like the fixed blade knife because it is a versatile tool which may come in handy. The knife needs to include a sheath to prevent accidental cuts.
I would also keep a small amount of cash inside the kit as well. A small zip lock baggie with $10-20 in one dollar bills would be a good idea. You could also use the mini M&M tubes to hold quarters. Each tube will hold about $14 in quarters. These are simple to store in the kit and provide some emergency cash. They are also water proof and have a lid that you can recluse if you use some of the quarters. If you use paper rolls they may become damaged by water or by the shifting movement of your pack. The plastic rolls will not be a problem with water, but once you start cutting them they are not as stable a container. For paper money small bills are a must so that you do not have to pay for a one dollar item with a twenty and not get any change back. Remember, if you are forced to use your car kit, there probably is not any power and your debit cards, credit cards and ATM card will not be working. It is also unlikely that a check would be accepted.
All these items should be stored in some kind of backpack. This keeps your hands free for any other activities you may have to perform. A school backpack is a poor choice but if that is your only option it is better then nothing. There are a great many options available that are highly durable. There are companies that manufacture packs for the military that are highly durable and have been tested in the field with good results. My preferred backpack is made by 511 Tactical. They make two sizes and I use the Rush 24 for my car kit (http://www.511tactical.com/browse/Home/Law-Enforcement/Accessories/Bags-Backpacks/RUSH-24-Backpack/D/30100/P/1:100:10000:10900:10905/I/58601 (http://www.511tactical.com/browse/Home/Law-Enforcement/Accessories/Bags-Backpacks/RUSH-24-Backpack/D/30100/P/1:100:10000:10900:10905/I/58601)). There is a larger pack, the Rush 72 (http://www.511tactical.com/browse/Home/Law-Enforcement/Accessories/Bags-Backpacks/RUSH-72-Backpack/D/30100/P/1:100:10000:10900:10905/I/58602 (http://www.511tactical.com/browse/Home/Law-Enforcement/Accessories/Bags-Backpacks/RUSH-72-Backpack/D/30100/P/1:100:10000:10900:10905/I/58602)). The other companies that I like are Blackhawk (http://www.blackhawk.com/category1.asp?D=D0064&S=&C=&N=1&pricestart=&priceend= (http://www.blackhawk.com/category1.asp?D=D0064&S=&C=&N=1&pricestart=&priceend=)), Tactical Assault Gear (http://tacticalassaultgearstore.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWCATS&Category=10 (http://tacticalassaultgearstore.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWCATS&Category=10)), and Camelback (http://www.camelbak.com/index.cfm (http://www.camelbak.com/index.cfm)). All three companies have quality products with good reputations. There are many other options out there, these just happen to be my personal preferences. There are also companies that manufacture packs for hiking and camping, again with good reputations. These are highly durable packs and will withstand the wear and tear of riding in the trunk of your vehicle. This may not sound like a big deal, but a school type backpack will be worn after a year or so of riding around in the trunk. This can result in dumping out the contents of your kit when you go to put it on. If you buy a $10 backpack that is what you will get. It is better to pay a little more for an item that will hold up in the event you need it. There are also a few less expensive options in packs that will serve you well, but lack some of the extra features in the more expensive packs. My choice of less expensive packs are the German Mountain Rucksack (http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/templates/links/link.jsp?id=0026022516442a&type=product&cmCat=search&returnPage=search-results1.jsp&QueryText=german&N=4887&Ntk=Products&Ntx=mode+matchall&Nty=1&Ntt=german&noImage=0 (http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/templates/links/link.jsp?id=0026022516442a&type=product&cmCat=search&returnPage=search-results1.jsp&QueryText=german&N=4887&Ntk=Products&Ntx=mode+matchall&Nty=1&Ntt=german&noImage=0)) and the US Army ALICE Pack (http://www.actiongear.com/cgi-bin/tame.exe/agcatalog/level4s.tam?xax=1534&M5COPY%2Ectx=7056&M5%2Ectx=3008&M2%5FDESC%2Ectx=Field%20Packs%20%2D%20Army%20ALICE %2C%20Tactical%2C%20LBE%20%2D%20Load%20Bearing%20G ear%2C%20Accessories&level3%2Ectx=results%2Etam&query%2Ectx=alice%20pack&backto=%2Fagcatalog%2Fresults%2Etam (http://www.actiongear.com/cgi-bin/tame.exe/agcatalog/level4s.tam?xax=1534&M5COPY%2Ectx=7056&M5%2Ectx=3008&M2%5FDESC%2Ectx=Field%20Packs%20%2D%20Army%20ALICE %2C%20Tactical%2C%20LBE%20%2D%20Load%20Bearing%20G ear%2C%20Accessories&level3%2Ectx=results%2Etam&query%2Ectx=alice%20pack&backto=%2Fagcatalog%2Fresults%2Etam)).
After you build your kit you need to try it on and walk around with if for a little while. This will give you an idea on the weight and balance of the pack. You need to make sure your pack will work for you. If it is too heavy you will need to make some adjustments so that you can actually carry your supplies.
Let me also add these final thoughts on 72 hour kits. I am not opposed to the idea of 72 hour kits I just feel for our neighborhood a Car Kit is a better idea. Personally I also have 72 hour kits in my home and I believe there are areas that a 72 hour kit in addition to a Car Kit is a good idea. You can find some good information on 72 hour kits on my website (http://www.rogmo.com/72_hr_kits.html (http://www.rogmo.com/72_hr_kits.html)), including how I built my personal kits (http://www.rogmo.com/100.html (http://www.rogmo.com/100.html)). Personally I prefer to build my own kits, but some people would rather go out and buy one. I have seen two sites where I thought the pre-made kits were any good. They can be found at Totally Ready (http://www.totallyready.com (http://www.totallyready.com/)) and Emergency Essentials (http://beprepared.com/category.asp_Q_c_E_120_A_name_E_EmergencyKits (http://beprepared.com/category.asp_Q_c_E_120_A_name_E_EmergencyKits)). I like what I see of the contents a bit better at Totally Ready though I would still add the Mainstay Calorie Bar. The only thing I am unsure with both companies is the backpack because it does not list who makes them. If I had to pick between the two I would go with Totally Ready and add a Mainstay Calorie Bar or two.

[althor]

So it looks like the Rush 24 does not have a waist strap. Is that correct?

[mirkwood]

That is the only negative I have found so far. It has a sternum strap but not the waist. The Rush 72 has both.

[phylm]

Lots of helpful info. Think I'll work the BOBs into my prep presentation at our next Enrichment meeting. God bless you, Mirkwood.

[arbilad]

Hey Mirk, some of the backpack links in your post don't work anymore.
What do you think of this backpack? It gets mixed reviews, with some saying it will stand up to anything, including deployment to Iraq, with others saying it will fall apart if you breathe on it funny.

http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/MOLLE124-1.html

[mirkwood]

Yea I saw that too. I will fix them in the next few days.

It does not list who the manufacturer is, so I have no idea. I have stuck with the high profile names because they are getting used in the harsness of the Middle East and/or Special Ops community. That gives me a good idea of the durability of the product. If I were deciding what to buy, I'd spend (save if I had to) a little more for the Rush 24.

[BackBlast]

mirk, thanks for all the effort you put into this. I've been meaning to flash out some good car bags. I have emergency kits but not really a walk home bag in the cars.

ALICE bags are pretty solid and roomy for the price, and they can be had without a large outlay. I have a few bags and two with full external frames.

I would 2nd the find-a-quality-bag idea. Mill-surplus is a good way to get something serviceable without the bells and whistles. I can be a bit of a "gear snob" myself, though I don't have the excuse that it's for work :l0 (4):


Lots of helpful info. Think I'll work the BOBs into my prep presentation at our next Enrichment meeting. God bless you, Mirkwood.

I think the role of these particular bags are technically Bug-IN-Bags. Which I whole heartedly agree with for a car/work kit.

[BackBlast]

Hey Mirk, some of the backpack links in your post don't work anymore.
What do you think of this backpack? It gets mixed reviews, with some saying it will stand up to anything, including deployment to Iraq, with others saying it will fall apart if you breathe on it funny.

I think the mark of a quality manufacture is consistency. Sounds like these reviews are not very consistent. I would prefer to buy right and buy once, I'd pass on that bag... My opinion..

[BackBlast]

A brief ebay search reveals...

Large ALICE packs, with frames. $66 shipped to your door...

http://cgi.ebay.com/LARGE-ALICE-PACK-FRAME-AND-STRAPS-GREAT-CONDITION-OD_W0QQitemZ200356715310QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_Defa ultDomain_0?hash=item2ea630db2e&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=65%3A12|66%3A2|39%3A1|72%3A1205|240%3A13 18|301%3A1|293%3A1|294%3A50 (http://cgi.ebay.com/LARGE-ALICE-PACK-FRAME-AND-STRAPS-GREAT-CONDITION-OD_W0QQitemZ200356715310QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_Defa ultDomain_0?hash=item2ea630db2e&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=65%3A12%7C66%3A2%7C39%3A1%7C72%3A1205%7C 240%3A1318%7C301%3A1%7C293%3A1%7C294%3A50)

Or your can try your luck bidding and get it for less.

http://cgi.ebay.com/LARGE-ALICE-PACK-FRAME-AND-STRAPS-GREAT-CONDITION-OD_W0QQitemZ200356715310QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_Defa ultDomain_0?hash=item2ea630db2e&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=65%3A12|66%3A2|39%3A1|72%3A1205|240%3A13 18|301%3A1|293%3A1|294%3A50 (http://cgi.ebay.com/LARGE-ALICE-PACK-FRAME-AND-STRAPS-GREAT-CONDITION-OD_W0QQitemZ200356715310QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_Defa ultDomain_0?hash=item2ea630db2e&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=65%3A12%7C66%3A2%7C39%3A1%7C72%3A1205%7C 240%3A1318%7C301%3A1%7C293%3A1%7C294%3A50)