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thermocouple
03-26-2008, 04:26 PM
Took the family camping at the annual Ft Buenaventura Mountain Man Rendezvous. It was a great time overall, but the nights were very cold. There was plenty of split wood provided for the campers, but most of it was still a little green, and almost all of it was wet. Getting the fire going, and keeping it going, was very difficult in the open pit, much less the cylinder stove.

A couple months ago we decided to invest in better sleeping bags. If we had not made this purchase I doubt we would have stayed after the first night. The air inside of our tipi was very cold, the air outside was well below freezing. Any water left in the dog's bowl was ice each morning.

The kids were in their new Cabela's 3D sleeping bags. The problem with kids and sleeping bags is that they always seem to slide out of the bag during the night. These 3D bags have vertical side walls, and when zipped all the way up, the zipper secured with velcro flap, the bag stays up. The kids are actually down in the sleeping bag, with just an opening for their face. Simply no way they can "slide" out of these bags. Each kid's bag was also covered with a padded moving blanket. All of the children stayed warm, wheras most other camping trips we have kids compaining of being cold at night.

Mrs Thermocouple and I were in our new Slumberjack Kodiak sleeping bags. They are huge, and remarkably warm. We stayed toasty the first night, but the second day we met up with a man who was selling a large (7'x7') winter coat buffalo hide and bought it from him for far below any price I have seen on such a hide. Adding this to the top of our sleeping bags made our sleeping system so warm it was ridiculous. Ever wonder how the Native Americans endured the brutal winters, or the fur trappers and mountain men? Animal furs. They work remarkably well, especially when used in conjunction with a quality sleeping bag.

We also decided during this trip to sell the tipi to Mrs Thermocouple's brother, and purchase a large modified pyramid tent. Tipi's are wonderful shelters, and if there was a way that I could keep the tipi and purchase a modified pyramid tent, I would do it. But while tipi's are very rugged and versatile because of their design, they also are harder to heat and far more difficult to setup, take down and transport for this same reason. Pyramid tents are completely enclosed, and will retain heat well (especially with a stove burning inside), and can be set up and taken down by one person in far less time than it takes three able bodied men to deal with a tipi. Again, I love the tipi, and I struggled with this decision, but we're selling it and moving into a large modified instead, it just makes more sense.

Four famililes in our camp split the cost on a "livingroom tent" this Spring. This is a 12x12 wall tent, split at each corner. Each wall can be raised to be an awning, creating a very large covered area. As breezes or weather move in, walls can be dropped and secured in minutes to provide shelter from the wind or weather, without the need to "huddle up" in the tents. This proved to be a very good purchase, the whole group agreed without exception that this structure was worth every dime we paid.

I will post pictures later.

Abinadi
03-28-2008, 03:34 PM
Thank you for sharing this.
I crawled under a buffalo hide and it was wonderful. It had been brained tanned so it was flexable and could get wet and be fine.
Its experiences like these that sharing them helps all of us in preparation.
What size modified pyramid tent would you get? Would it be oiled so it was water resistant?
I had a friends who lived in a tipi and in a wall tent at 7,000 foot elevation in Wyomings rugged mountains. They both stayed warm all winter in their tent/tipi.
Did the dog have fun as well?

Abinadi

DMGNUT
03-28-2008, 04:39 PM
I look forward to seeing your pics and hearing the answers to Abinadi's questions.

thermocouple
03-28-2008, 05:27 PM
We are deciding between an 15x20 or 15x25. We would have it made with Sunforger canvas, which is both weather resistant and fire retardant. Our tipi was over 20 years old, and was made of similar canvas back then. When it rained the drip point was due to the structure itself, and not the canvas - the canvas itself always kept us dry inside.

The dog had a great time, and she was very well behaved - she's a great pup. There were some other friendly dogs around, so they got to have a little party of their own. There were also some not so well behaved (managed) dogs in the area as well.

Sorry for the lag in pics, I will get them up this weekend.

dlcorrell
03-28-2008, 08:51 PM
Where did you purchase the "living room" tent? I would like one

donna

thermocouple
03-28-2008, 10:21 PM
Where did you purchase the "living room" tent? I would like one

donna
We bought the livingroom tent and the buffalo hide from a rendezvous participant.

thermocouple
03-28-2008, 10:52 PM
Here's a shot of the back of the kitchen tent, looking toward the opening in the livingroom tent. As stated earlier, all four walls of the livingroom tent are easily converted to awnings, just like this one. This was not the warmest of trips, so we were content to leave the other three walls down for this campout.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v19/cbatson73/Fort%20B%202008/kitchenlivingroom.jpg


Here's a shot of the livingroom tent from the same perspective, closer up. Note: those flags you see were old and tattered, and were retired with honor during this trip. We were not entirely sure how best to go about doing this, and I was inclined to ask an older gentleman near our camp if he knew the propor ettiquite for this. He was very moved by my asking, and choked up while he thanked me for caring enough to ask. He came over to our camp and spent a good deal of time telling stories, teaching us how to retire a US Flag with honor, and generally impressing us with the importance. He was invited to participate, but chose to allow us to do it alone and as a family. It was a very moving and memorable experience.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v19/cbatson73/Fort%20B%202008/livingroom.jpg

This shot looks from our livingroom tent toward the front of our kitchen tent.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v19/cbatson73/Fort%20B%202008/livingroomkitchen.jpg

A peek inside the kitchen tent.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v19/cbatson73/Fort%20B%202008/kitchen.jpg

Here's a shot of our "roughing it" bed.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v19/cbatson73/Fort%20B%202008/bedding1.jpg

Our bedding layers from the bottom up: cot, cot pad, memory foam pad, king size sheet, sleeping bags, buffalo hide. We stayed very warm, and very comfortable. Also, this stuff breaks down much smaller than you might think.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v19/cbatson73/Fort%20B%202008/Bedding2.jpg

One of the kids down inside her 3D bag. This setup worked very well for kids, we were very happy with the results of our first trip with these bags.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v19/cbatson73/Fort%20B%202008/kidsbag.jpg

Here is an average sized 11 year old standing in front of an 18' tipi
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v19/cbatson73/Fort%20B%202008/18footer.jpg

And the same kid in front of a 22' tipi
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v19/cbatson73/Fort%20B%202008/22footer.jpg

Sadie Girl
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v19/cbatson73/Fort%20B%202008/sadiegirl.jpg

Abinadi
03-29-2008, 03:26 PM
This is wonderful. I love the kitchen and the buffalo hide. You looked well set up there.
The dog is cute and I am glad she had a good time too.
Oh to camp soon...I am getting antsy now!

Abinadi

Cowboy
03-29-2008, 04:54 PM
Sportsman's Guide kitchen tent furniture?

Kind of looks like the hunting tent.
http://www.ldsglo.com/images/Final%20Talley.jpg

sunsinger
04-03-2008, 08:00 AM
Cowboy
How did you get all of those adorable deer to snuggle down like that?

Cowboy
04-03-2008, 08:43 AM
Had to use Smith and Wesson to help me. Those two are great to have around the camp.

thor610
04-03-2008, 09:45 AM
Without a fueled vehicle, how do you carry all that camping equipment? It certainly looks comfortable enough, but if you are forced to leave quickly on foot from your home, how do you take something like that with you?

Abinadi
04-04-2008, 12:22 PM
You passing the buck cowboy?
The one on the left is not minding his manners, his tongue is sticking out, not good kitchen manners at all. The others need to wake up.

Abinadi who is laughing again and wonders who did the cooking look at their faces...LOL

thermocouple
04-04-2008, 11:05 PM
Without a fueled vehicle, how do you carry all that camping equipment? It certainly looks comfortable enough, but if you are forced to leave quickly on foot from your home, how do you take something like that with you?
Thor, we are into going to these mtn man rendezvous, and we set ourselves up well for it. If we had to leave on foot, like everyone else we would have some seriously hard decisions to make. It's physically impossible to bring everything you need for a long period of time, including clothing, bedding, food, water and shelter. If we had to leave on foot we'd be leaving bare bones, like everyone.

thor610
04-05-2008, 06:47 AM
Well, there is always the possibility of a pack animal if you keep those around.

sarge712
04-05-2008, 01:40 PM
Here's what I have on hand in case we have to go "foot mobile." I weigh 195# and the 12 year old can push me around in it easily due to the balance and large solid rubber tires. I plan on loading it down with kit, setting the wee ones on top and off we'll go.

Here's the link:

http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/templates/links/link.jsp?id=0005568222380a&type=product&cmCat=SEARCH&returnPage=search-results1.jsp&QueryText=game+hauler&N=4887&Ntk=Products&Ntx=mode+matchall&Nty=1&Ntt=game+hauler&noImage=0

Thee are also ones going for $60 or $70 as well

thor610
04-05-2008, 01:56 PM
That looks great. Where do you find the $60-$70 ones?

sarge712
04-05-2008, 02:04 PM
Here 'tis:

http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/templates/links/link.jsp?id=0053267228941a&type=product&cmCat=SEARCH&returnPage=search-results1.jsp&QueryText=game+hauler&N=4887&Ntk=Products&Ntx=mode+matchall&Nty=1&Ntt=game+hauler&noImage=0

Abinadi
04-05-2008, 04:15 PM
Looks like someone has been to cowboys camp with that hauler outfit.

Abinadi

thor610
04-05-2008, 04:21 PM
I looked at the two different. Have you any experience with both? Do you think the more expensive one is worth the extra money?

ZDMZ
12-24-2009, 12:16 PM
I have been to the rondezvous at Ft Buenaventura a couple of time with some friends. It is a good time.
My first tent was a homemade wedge that was only about 4' tall, I got tired of having to bend over to get in it so I bought one that is 7' tall and like it a lot.
The friends that I go with tease me for using a cot, they are much more hard core mountain men than I am. My old body does not do well sleeping on the ground like I could in my younger days.
Your comments about the wet firewood brings back memories. We have made a lot of jokes about the wet wood at the fort - "I got this piece out of the river- thought it would burn better than what the fort provided".
Yep, good times.